The Adonis Method

My Musings on Pickup & Seduction

Why I’ve Ditched “Opinion” Openers

Everyone seems to love opinion openers. Hell, I used to use them myself…almost exclusively. But I’ve come to the realization, that opinion openers are shit! They were designed so that a guy could enter a set and not convey interest in the target, and to a certain extent they do just that. The problem is that they don’t often lead to anywhere seductive, except perhaps some clumsy transition into DHV stories [that she’s probably not going to be able to hear in a loud club] and other ‘attraction’ routines that often include parroting other’s experience or identity. They can work, but I think they are often a bit try-hard and unless you are a master of subcom and are truly interested in the opinion you are asking her for, she will see through this silly ruse of asking her “if she flosses before or after she brushes.” With the popularity of The Game and The Pickup Artist this is going to be even more obvious to women. Seriously, how many guys out there can actually go up to a group of women and ask her opinion on whether they think “David Bowie is hot” and not telegraph any interest in the set?? I’d venture to bet that if you can do this, you probably don’t need to ask such silly things to open the set in the first place. Opinion openers may have once been a safe way to indirectly enter a set, but I’m seriously starting to doubt how effective they are in an overall framework of actually picking a woman up.

I dislike situational openers just as much or perhaps even more. Here’s why: 1) It can often be hard to come up with a good situational opener in the moment and not break the 3 second rule or at least not hover around her trying to come up with something if you don’t care about the 3 second rule; 2) It may seem like something cool, witty, or profound, but chances are when you tell her “How unique her shoes are” or whatever, she’s heard it or something like it before and she knows just how to get rid of you; 3) They also don’t often lead to anything seductive without seeming a bit try-hard; 4) it’s hard to really track your progress and diagnose sticking points if you are constantly changing your approach to fit the situation.

All of this has really got me to thinking about why we go indirect at all in the first place? The theory is that by going indirect you can bypass a woman’s initial guard to treat you like she does all the other lovable losers who try to hit on her. It buys you a bit of time so you can do some attraction material later and hopefully not get blown out immediately. But wait a minute….I believe women LOVE to be approached and hit on…. by high value guys. Really, the reason a woman shuts down a guy initially is not because of what he said, it’s because she perceives him being low value. She will almost always be receptive to a guy she perceives as high value.

Low value guys might use a silly ruse like an opinion opener as an excuse to talk to her. A low value guy might make some lame situational comment that she’s either heard before or at least heard something similar to [and probably often]….and women feel no attraction for low value guys [unless they are low value themselves]. Really what I’m getting at here is this: A set will open well directly proportional to how much value she perceives the guy possessing.

Ever been out with a group of girls and noticed sets opening left and right? I have. Why? They perceive you as a guy of high value immediately because you come pre-selected by other women. You can open with just about anything and it seems to work!

Ever been in a club where you are friends with a large amount of the people there? Ever noticed how much easier sets are to open then? Same thing.

So as a thought experiment… think about this. “Even if I don’t have two women on either arm and even if I don’t know a large crowd in the bar, is it still possible to possess value that a woman can perceive instantly?” I’m gonna say, “Abso-fuckin-lutely!” How’s this for an opener…. Be able to subcom that you are a high value guy and you can open with “Woooohoooo!” as an opener! Subcom that you are there to give value to the set, and you can open with “Heeeeeeeeeey!” These are social openers and they work wonders when you are high value!

Because you are demonstrating that you are high value she will want you to stay when you do this. Think about it? She may say she is there because she likes to dance with her friends, but I say bullshit! She’s there because she wants to meet a high value guy regardless of what she says to others or even herself.

I will admit that coming to grips with this may seem a bit “zen”, and it is… I can’t adequately explain this level, but when you get it it will seem both profound and obvious!

Adonis


Comments

  1. Haliotis
    September 23rd, 2007 | 5:53 am

    Hi!
    Just wanted to drop a line. I just read all of your entries so far. I like your blog and your style of writing, there is much gold around here and I can identify with many of the perspectives from which you seem to be writing. Please continue, I’m looking forward to it :)
    greetz

  2. September 24th, 2007 | 1:49 am

    Yes, good way of breaking stuff down. I like your insights.

  3. July 31st, 2008 | 7:18 am

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